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河南三甲医院检验科主任吐槽检验界乱象

2016-10-26 佚名 大医道

医道君按:在郑州咋样能挣4块钱?卖一个鸡蛋灌饼、发半个小时传单……你造吗?在苦逼的医院检验科,看一个大便标本多钱?也是4块!干人工镜检的技术人员欲哭无泪,原来还5块呢,现在降为4块了,学了那么多年的医,最后还不如个发传单的。检验科是医院的边缘科室,劳动强度大、待遇低、不受重视,这不是河南独有的,在全国都是普遍现象。还有,除了这些郁闷,一些临床实验室还来抢“生意”。郑州某三甲医院检验科主任向医道君吐

医道君按:在郑州咋样能挣4块钱?卖一个鸡蛋灌饼、发半个小时传单……你造吗?在苦逼的医院检验科,看一个大便标本多钱?也是4块!

干人工镜检的技术人员欲哭无泪,原来还5块呢,现在降为4块了,学了那么多年的医,最后还不如个发传单的。

检验科是医院的边缘科室,劳动强度大、待遇低、不受重视,这不是河南独有的,在全国都是普遍现象。还有,除了这些郁闷,一些临床实验室还来抢“生意”。郑州某三甲医院检验科主任向医道君吐槽了检验界的无奈和乱象。检验界的无奈和乱象背后是政策决策层的外行管理和检验管理的有章不循、无人监管。

检验:医学诊断指南针

医学检验的目的,是研究人体血液、体液、分泌物和排泄物中的致病因子,通过这些因子及活性物质的量和活性的变化而推断疾病的发生发展,从而在很大程度上辅助临床医师准确判断疾病,这是医生的主观经验和各种物理检查方法都无法查明的诊断依据。因此说,医学检验的结果是支持诊断、鉴别诊断,甚至是确诊的主要依据。检验在医疗过程中地位非常重要,对诊断具有指南针的作用。
医学检验对技术要求很高,智能化检测设备虽然日渐发达,但永远代替不了人工镜检,那些形态异常的细胞需要检验人员来一个个识别。如果检验人员水平有限,是无法给出准确检验报告的,这将直接影响临床医生的诊断。

检验科的泪水与辛酸

检验科在医院属于辅助科室,是配角,很不受重视。还往往设置在角落里,环境还很糟糕,离厕所近,味道浓烈。

首先,技术劳动力廉价

人工镜检的费用一次2~5元,这个价格还买不到一斤肉。比如大便常规,原来还5元一次,医疗价格调整时中,竟然还调低了,现在变成4元一次。比如真菌人工镜检,技术含量非常高,对检验人员不仅要求高技术还要求经验丰富,但一次也才5元钱。

这位三甲医院的检验科主任大倒苦水:我这儿的检验人员一半以上是硕士以上学历啊,一次镜检不足5元,太花椒人了!检验科技术人员的收入在医院中等偏下。说白了,还不如富士康流水线的员工值钱。弄得很多医学生不愿意干检验。在省会郑州,除了郑大一附院、省人民医院、省肿瘤医院这几家医院的检验人员收入高些,其他医院检验技术人员的收入普遍不高。

虽然现在检测智能化了,但永远代替不了人工镜检,有些特异的标本必须要靠检验技术人员在显微镜下一点点辨认。因此,人工镜检劳动强度很大,一天盯着显微镜要看几百个标本,看得人都要yue了。

一个合格的检验技术人员培养至少需要5年,他首先必须是一个全科医生,需要了解临床各科知识,其次要不断学习精进新技术,再者需要大量的镜检实践,见得多了才有甄别判断能力。

在医疗价格调整中,该升的价格没升,该降的价格没降。很影响人的情绪。在网上论坛上,检验界的网友大倒苦水:以为我们只是根据仪器填报告单吗?要是那样,让机器人来干好了。设备仪器再先进,结果不一定准确,准确下结论还要靠人工镜检。

这位主任告诉医道君,人工价格应该提高,首先是对人才的尊重,其次因为人工镜检技术人员不是富士康流水线上的工人,人工镜检对技术要求很高,价格应该与价值匹配。有些新项目实用价值不大,应该降价,但收费却很高,不少收费都在二三百,这些新项目技术含量不高,诊断意义不大,却被定高价。比如肿瘤异常蛋白(TAP),被用于普查肿瘤,一升高就怀疑肿瘤,但它特异性、敏感性不高,很容易受到外界因素影响,风湿类风湿等疾病、免疫抑制剂等都会导致TAP升高,靠这个检验结果是没法准确判断是否患了肿瘤的,但它的收费很贵,竟然300多元。

决策层太外行啦!为医疗定价的,你妈喊你去检验科体验生活。咳,不说了,说多了都是泪。

乱象:管理不规范

检验界管理混乱,很多医院的临床科室设置有小实验室,这些小实验室成了临床科室的赚钱项目。

临床小实验室的问题多多:

第一,这些小实验室的检验人员多数没有资质,刚才说了检验技术人员需要专门培训,不是谁都能胜任的。检验人员的素质决定了检验结果的准确度,小实验室的检验准确度低。

第二,临床小实验室缺乏质量控制,不能保证检验质量。国家卫计委和省卫计委有专门的临床检验中心来做各医院检验科的质控,而临床实验室却没有部门来做质控。一个检验室的建设是有标准的,而临床小实验室却没有统一标准,很难保证质量。

第三,临床小实验室会造成重复建设、重复投入,造成医疗资源浪费。

不要以为这只是河南现象,这在全国都很普遍。上海做得还相对规范,北京和河南一样,临床小实验室很多,很混乱。

按照原卫生部2006年发布的《实验室管理办法》,检验实验室要统一设置、统一质控、统一管理,临床实验室不能向患者收费,只能用于科研,不能用于临床。但临床实验室却干起了检验科的活,做一些很赚钱的检验项目,背后就是利益驱动。

《实验室管理办法》虽然有这样的规定,但没人负责监督执行。才导致临床实验室干检验科的活的现象。在美国,检验实验室实行的是项目准入制,达到质量要求才会被相关部门批准做,否则就是违法的。美国的第三方检验很发达,做到了统一设备、统一制剂、统一质控,统一运送。由于标本量很大,成本下降,医疗投入减少,病人负担减轻。

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